shimano, campag, sram…

[mr-marty-martin]

so which one would be your choice?

for me its campag as i like there huds…

but for value for money i must admit shimano is great

i like the way sram work, although when your realy tired you may nock it into the wrong gear if you give it a wack if you no what i mean

plus all the bike mechanics have told me they cant handle mud, or grit, as once they even get abit in they nack up…

[mr-marty-martin]

plus sram are something to do with truvativ, which i certainly wouldnt want on my bike…

[Steve Kish]

Used to be a Campag man in the sixties but TBH, Shimano have surpassed them with their innovations. Shimano Dura-Ace AX is what turned it for me.

[mr-marty-martin]

i also like the campag cable routing, although shimano is starting to do it the same way now…

but what i didnt realise as when they route it under the bar tape it effects shifting…

[Steve Kish]

but what i didnt realise as when they route it under the bar tape it effects shifting…

Do they now route gear cables under the bar tape as well …?

[mr-marty-martin]

the top end of shimano have started i think yes…

but not the whole range yet…

[Steve Kish]

Not sure about that, TBH. May well work fine when in a straight line but turning the steerer may do this no favours at all!

[mr-marty-martin]

dont get you ???

[Steve Kish]

OK, I’ll explain my thinking.

The accuracy of SIS shifting is based on many things of which smoothness of cable run inside the casing is one.

Unlike the gentle sloping curves of the exposed cable between shifter and first lug on the frame, you’d have a shorter free and flexible bit, thus any curves would be harsher and impede the smoothness of the cable inside the casing.

Try fixing your current shifting cables to your bars with cable ties and see how it shifts.

[mr-marty-martin]

but this is were campag has it and they run fine ( well, maybe not 10 speep or up, but thats like that for all the manufactures

[Steve Kish]

Hm, if it works, it works! 😕 May be new cabling or whatever. If so, will be probably the first time that Shimano have copied Campag rather than vice versa, as was the way with concealed brake cables.

Still, I’ll investigate this new wonder but will probably never be able to afford it! 😯 😀

[db]

The only shimano groupset with gear cables under the bar tape is the new Dura-Ace 7900. The complete groupset retails at a whopping £1675 although you can get it for about £1250 if you shop around. It saves only 135 grams on the old Dura-ace 7800 groupset. The 7800 groupset could be had for £560 online although shimano have now stopped producing 7800 making getting hold of it like finding rocking horse sh*t. Double the price is a lot to pay for hidden cables and 135 gram weight reduction.

As far as equipment selection goes I don’t think there is too much between the latest stuff although the older pre 10 speed campag was in my opinion cluncky, outdated, heavy and poor quality compared with shimano.

My order of choice is 1st Shimano, 2nd SRAM, 3rd Campag. See http://www.fatbirds.co.uk/detail.asp/sku=mad-7900group

[mr-marty-martin]

im not boshed about the saving of weight with the routing under the tape…

i like it cos it looks allot tidier…

[Steve Kish]

I was one of the first to have hidden brake cable on my TT bike -in 1982, before the levers were available!

We did this by mounting the cable upside down.

The pear nipple was put into the cup at the top of the lever and the casing was against the bit where the nipple used to go. This allowed the brake to work with the cable coming downwards. From this, it did a U-turn and went back into a hole just below the lever and upwards to exit about two inches from the stem and onwards to the brake.

Looked kinda flash but did nothing to improve the braking! 😳